Other Interests: Archery...

[Crna Legija]

i got a 65 pound bow at the market for 5 bucks its fiber glass recurve it had no string or arrows but fun to shoot i use it to get rope over to tops of trees

[TwitchTheAussie]

55lbs worth of fibreglass compound. Forgot the brand and it uses a non-lock cam system. The poundage increases with draw length so my friend gets about 75+. I've been shooting since 13. God bless high school

[ThegunGuy]

I have a 55 pound compound bow I use in October, its pretty accurate. We have split arrows with it. It really sucks when you get a ten dollar arrow and then destroy it the first time you shoot it.

[inonickname]

Yes, I'm kicking up an old thread. Why? So I don't have to make a new one.

Does anyone have experience with PSE's bows? I'm currently looking at the stinger, brute and bow madness XS as I need a new bow.

2011 Stinger + sight + drop away rest + stab/sling + d loop installed: $350

2011 Brute + sight + drop away rest + stab/sling + d loop installed: $450

2011 Bow Madness + sight + drop away rest + stab/sling + d loop installed: $550

Any opinions on these bows/setups? thanks

[Zeus]

Well I can't help you with said bows, though I'm glad you kicked this topic, perhaps a local archery club could help. Though I think you are in an area which wouldn't have one in a reasonable distance.

I can however post the bow I have http://cgi.ebay.com/Darton-SL50-Compoun ... 3f08981810.

It's around the 50# 55#, not 40# like the advert says.

The cheapest arrows I can get are $11, it doesn't really help that I'm not well funded. Any recommendations for backstops? I've been thinking about a lot of cardboard.

[irisher]

@ Zeus
You might try a hay bale, it has worked well for me. You don't have to worry bringing it in for rain and it will be very easy to pull out arrows. ( If using square ones, make sure to have two because they will stick out the back if just one)

[Zeus]

My bow always shot straight through them, that's why I ask. I've read of people getting through & through shots with deer, (Mods, your call to delete), so I'm not suprised I lose them.

[inonickname]

The archery club I shoot at uses roughly 4" of corrugated cardboard bolted together with the plastic target face over it. A light bow will barely shoot far into it, but with my 60# compound I've punched up to the fletchings a few times. When I get a new bow that will be 10# heavier with an ibo nearly 60 fps faster a few will probably end up through the target.

You can also get compressed cardboard bales from a rubbish tip. A hay bale works well for lighter bows. A heavy bag packed with rags also works apparently.

Here's the bow I'm probably upgrading to, the PSE bow madness XS:

70# draw, beyond parallel limbs, only 28.5" axle to axle (for reference, a longbow will sit a bit below 80 inches), 3lb 7 oz, 80% let off, 27-30 inch draw adjustment w/o press, stab, drop away rest, fiber optic sight, bowsling etc. It's a beast

[inonickname]

Decided to eventually go with the larger PSE Brute. At 70# with a 415 grain arrow it recorded ~295 feet per second, or 80 foot pounds of energy or nearly 110 joules . 66 foot pounds is considered enough to hunt big game such as Grizzly bears and Cape Buffalo. Well it's been papertuned by the shop over in the USA, just got to wait the 5-10 working days for it to get here down under by USPS now.

I liked the feel of the smaller Bow Madness XS but the stock strings are well known for taking a dump and needing costly replacements. That would have put the bow out of my price range. Not that the Brute is bad at all...parrallel limbs, 320 fps IBO, goes out to my ~30" draw, nice big 7" brace height and so on. The 2011 model has gotten an upgrade to the HP cam, plus with things like the slimline grip, backstop etc. it's a nice bow.

I just ran some numbers, and I'm probably roughly more than doubling the energy of my last bow, or a 45 foot pound increase

[jackssmirkingrevenge]

Impressive

66 foot pounds is considered enough to hunt big game such as Grizzly bears and Cape Buffalo.

I think this hammers home the importance of sectional density and ties in nicely with what we were discussing in the "long range" thread. You wouldn't think of facing a buffalo with a 70-80 ft/lbs firearm or airgun (unless you're incredibly lucky) , but with a bow it's feasible.

What makes this the case is that while velocity might be much lower than a bullet, the 415 grain arrow is over 10 times heavier than a standard 0.22" rimfire bullet without being much wider, and so it loses velocity at a significantly lower rate.

[POLAND_SPUD]

which is why I think we need cheap and simple to produce ammo.... make it as heavy as you can and you've got a nice long range range round

Seriously I don't think that the round created by LeMaudit will get very popular...

not that it sucks... it's great but it isn't practical - I wouldn't spend X $ to get it machined..
I want something that can go relatively far, requires little work and is cheap


not to be a dick but I think I am pretty good at telling what is practical and what is not... and I've got to tell you that machined rounds are very not practical

[daniele tn]

You also have to consider the fact that only broadheads are used in bowhunting. A decent bow shooting a broadhead will make a lot of damage, huge external wounds compared to a firearm wound, and this is why bowhunted animals usually bleed to death instead of dying instantaneously.


I personally have a 70 pound compound and I have found that 2 standard targets (one hay,one foam) stop the arrow nicely.

[jackssmirkingrevenge]

Seriously I don't think that the round created by LeMaudit will get very popular...

not that it sucks... it's great but it isn't practical - I wouldn't spend X $ to get it machined..
I want something that can go relatively far, requires little work and is cheap.

Perhaps not a machined round, but it could be used as a master to cast other rounds - I know it can be done

You also have to consider the fact that only broadheads are used in bowhunting.

Fair point, in many ways an arrow injures more like a knife than a bullet.

[inonickname]

Seriously I don't think that the round created by LeMaudit will get very popular...

not that it sucks... it's great but it isn't practical - I wouldn't spend X $ to get it machined..
I want something that can go relatively far, requires little work and is cheap.

Perhaps not a machined round, but it could be used as a master to cast other rounds - I know it can be done

You also have to consider the fact that only broadheads are used in bowhunting.

Fair point, in many ways an arrow injures more like a knife than a bullet.

Depends. If you have rage broadheads it's like having a sword shot through you.

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It's not just an external would a broadhead will make. It will leave a massive entry and exit (up to 2" plus) but will do massive damage to veins etc. Any vital organs that are hit such as the heart, lungs etc. will be torn to pieces by a broadhead. Penetration is pretty massive too, with passthroughs (i.e. arrow goes in one side and comes completely out on the other) fairly common on reasonably large game.

Todays more powerful bows are also used for hunting big big game- i.e. elephants, rhinos, cape buffalo etc. An 80# omen can put out 130+ foot pounds of energy which is sufficient for taking anything which lives on land. Hunting elephants with rifles tends to start at 5000+ foot pounds, or 40 times more powerful. Some larger cartridges might run 80 to 100 times more powerful than the bow. Says a lot for arrows.

[jackssmirkingrevenge]

Depends. If you have rage broadheads it's like having a sword shot through you.

Some seem to argue that these "mechanicals" might perform well against ballistic gelatin but do not perform as well when bone is involved. Any experience with them?

Todays more powerful bows are also used for hunting big big game- i.e. elephants, rhinos, cape buffalo etc. An 80# omen can put out 130+ foot pounds of energy which is sufficient for taking anything which lives on land. Hunting elephants with rifles tends to start at 5000+ foot pounds, or 40 times more powerful. Some larger cartridges might run 80 to 100 times more powerful than the bow. Says a lot for arrows.

Bloody right, this is friggin' unbelievable! That's amazing!