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Boosting pellet rifle performance

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:05 pm
by CpTn_lAw
Hey everybody! i've came up with something interesting this afternoon, i was playing with my air-rifle, when i has a sudden idea...I put one drop (really tiny drop) of zippo fuel behing the pellet just before closing the barrel. When i shot......well, the zippo fuel had vaporised and was a gaz, mixed with the internal air, with the diesel effet, a very loud bang occured, a small flame, and a pretty hard kick for an air rifle. The pellet went through 3cm of wood. I think i just made my air-rifle a rifle-like hybrid.
When looking at the physic behinf this phenomenon, i used the P.V= n.R.T
the pressure increases, the volume dicreases, and the temperature increases very quick, so, the air/fuel mix auto-ignited. I cheack the piston, it has not sign of stress; compared to dieseling with oil.
I also made a small test with potassium benzoate, but this is against the rules. (whistling mixture for small rocket-fireworks.)

So if you guys wana try it, i suggest a low powered piston air rifle, one tiny drop of zippo fuel behind the pellet, close the barrel, wait a few second for the fuel to vaporise, and shoot.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:09 pm
by jackssmirkingrevenge
The ignition of lubricant vapours is a significant contributor to the power of a spring piston air rifle, but to encourage this effect simply increases the wear and tear and very quickly knacker your piston seal. Ok if you have some $5 chinese rifle I suppose, personally i wouldn't dream of doing that to my beloved Weihrauch :shock:

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:16 pm
by FeLeX
is your rifle spring loaded? Do you think one of those cheap plastic pistols would work?

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:19 pm
by jackssmirkingrevenge
Don't expect detonation in an airsoft pistol, I doubt the spring in one of those has enough clout to produce dieseling. With one of these little things it should work wonderfully, you can try using a drop of actual diesel or 3-in-1 lubricating oil.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:21 pm
by FeLeX
That link didnt work man =/

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:26 pm
by jackssmirkingrevenge
letterbocks. try again.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:32 pm
by FeLeX
Now the pic itself dont work =/
Oh well you think I could find some sturdy spring and make my own gun that would work on this principle? Oh and is it any powerful?

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:54 pm
by beebs111
so this is a method to increase the power of a pellet gun....... hmm sounds cool

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:55 pm
by jackssmirkingrevenge
Odd, works for me.

anyway, not worth the hassle of building your own, just buy something cheap like one of these and when it falls apart from the strain, buy another one :D

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:09 pm
by CpTn_lAw
yeah well, i've tested the potassium benzoate and it pushes the pellet up to 400 m/s..........lol

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:22 pm
by Brian the brain
I was gonna suggest a drop of pure ether untill I read the 400m/s thing...

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:29 pm
by jackssmirkingrevenge
Brian the brain wrote:I was gonna suggest a drop of pure ether untill I read the 400m/s thing...
Don't forget the Weihrauch Barakuda EL54 ether-injection air rifle :wink:

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:23 pm
by FeLeX
So I mean is it really worth it? On avera by how much fps can it be increased? Could this be used to make a unique mini hybrid?

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:40 pm
by jackssmirkingrevenge
You could try adding a bust-disc to the system, who knows the pressure generated by the detonation might even drive the piston back far enough to recock itself :roll:

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:21 pm
by Brian the brain
An air driven piston would work.