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				Silent System( now broken by dieseling!)
				Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:21 pm
				by Brian the brain
				Just something I have been wanting to try for a long time.
I tried this system before on my " push botton valve" experiment.It needed more flow..
Take a barrel, shove in a rubber " sabot" and put a reducer on the muzzle.
The sabot can now push an arrow, but it cannot exit the barrel.
A drilled out center point helps to keep the arrow aligned and steady.
This causes the gas to be 
trapped.
Of course..I made it so that not doesn't seal 100% ..the air bleeds out slowly..
resulting in a silent shot.
An arrow gives better penetration while the sabot gives it more force.. 
 
 
Unfortunately, threading a reducer into the muzzle made the barrel sleeve turn over it's foam tape insides and droop even more, but this is just a prototype, 
I will replace it by a shiny new barrel 
all together
*( " I will replace...")*  
 
I will also drill ports in front of the sabot to enable it to push out the air in front faster.Next try the system will be removable, so I can still fire marbles and 16 mm ball bearings if I choose to.
The arrow ( or airrow..) got launched in complete silence, apart from the impact, wich was not too loud and most importantly, doesn't even sound like a shot.
Damage was done at under 300 psi.The gun could take a lot more..
The target is 4cm thick quality hardwood, shot at a 90 degree angle to the fibers. ( hardest to do)
So much for reusable arrows..I can't get it out...
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:42 pm
				by jrrdw
				Try and get a video with good sound posted if you can. Nice work.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:45 pm
				by Brian the brain
				uh-huh...
Like that ever worked before... 
 
 
I'll spell it for you..
 
 
 
POK ( impact)
Pffffffffffff 
That's it..
This is easier than a silencer too.
Anyone can build this!
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:02 pm
				by roboman
				That's incredible!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this gun operates something like a pop-off/burst disk (pressure builds up, and at a certain point, it lets go)?
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:10 pm
				by Ragnarok
				Just imagine what a longer barrel and arrow will do at 40 bar.
Smash the sabot catcher off the end of the barrel?
I know there have been various silent firearms based around the same "trapped gas" technique, but the idea of having high velocity and somewhat weighty pieces smashing around inside a launcher has never appealed.
(Pistons being an exception, they seldom have much acceleration distance)
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:22 pm
				by VH_man
				so wait... Theres a Sabot that always remains inside the cannon?
I'm assuming it fires somewhat like the 
Msp Silent Pistol. If so, very sweet. And a little scary. In a good way.
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:28 pm
				by JDP12
				Operates almost exactly like the bs-1 tishina...
I've thought about something like that before for paintball,  this may be the motivation to work on it again!
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:19 pm
				by jackssmirkingrevenge
				ilovetoblowthingsup wrote:Operates almost exactly like the bs-1 tishina...
The idea is certainly not new but good to see it implemented 

 and since it's soooo silent, he cannot use the neighbours as an excuse for not making a video 
 
I'm guessing it's pretty much identical to the SP-4 cartridge concept using a cylindrical projectile driven by a piston?
 
unfired cartridge
 
firing
 
piston jammed against cartridge, projectile fired.
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:49 pm
				by JDP12
				Yup.. Dang I wish I had more money to do all the projects I want to
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:54 am
				by jackssmirkingrevenge
				ilovetoblowthingsup wrote:Yup.. Dang I wish I had more money to do all the projects I want to
This can be done pretty cheaply as an attachment for a "standard" launcher, I like the rubber sabot idea, heavy but it helps to soften the impact.  If you carve out a small space in the centre of the piston, you wouldn't be limited to cylindrical projectiles either, though accuracy would probably suffer.
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:30 am
				by POLAND_SPUD
				if you carve out a small space in the centre of the piston, you wouldn't be limited to cylindrical projectiles either
already suggested 
 
accuracy issues probably could be solved by adding a short length of small bore barrel at the muzzle.  It would be the best to have a short tapered section of the barrel facing the piston so that the projectile could get in the barrel
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:44 am
				by jackssmirkingrevenge
				POLAND_SPUD wrote:accuracy issues probably could be solved by adding a short length of small bore barrel at the muzzle.  It would be the best to have a short tapered section of the barrel facing the piston so that the projectile could get in the barrel
Precisely what I was thinking 

 still, the projectile cannot be too off-centre, otherwise you'll fire the barrel off as well 

 
			
					
				
				Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:25 am
				by Major Collins
				nowwww just make some shotgun ammo and it really will be a sawn off : ) and the idea of a silenced sawn off .... lol
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:53 am
				by jrrdw
				Brian the brain wrote:uh-huh...
Like that ever worked before... 
 
 
I'll spell it for you..
 
 
 
POK ( impact)
Pffffffffffff 
That's it..
This is easier than a silencer too.
Anyone can build this!
 
WOW   

   ...That's got to be the quitest video I never heard, sweet!
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:55 am
				by Jack_Hogg
				This is a very good way of making dart barrels 
 
 
I also thought of this concept, but thought it would blow off
the reducer by kinetic energy of the "pusher/sabbot/piston"
Well, I am really thinking of making this too of my 22mm
barrel. It would be very silent. So I would have a very
loud shotgun big smoothbore barrel and a super silent dart
barrel. This is awsome 

  Nice build 
