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co-axil piston gun help
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:24 pm
by itsnotmyblood
so im making my first pneumatic cannon. its going to be a co-axil piston gun. i want to use a 2inch chamber and a 1inch barrle. i dont know if there is a high enuf chaber to barrle ratio for good performance. just want to know if it will work
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:28 pm
by Ranger
That should be good. I ran the numbers with a 36" barrel and 32" chamber and came out with a about 2:1.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:31 pm
by clemsonguy1125
Thats what tech did on his mouse musket
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:48 pm
by Lockednloaded
Ranger wrote:That should be good. I ran the numbers with a 36" barrel and 32" chamber and came out with a about 2:1.
Ahh, but you forget to subtract the volume of the barrel inside the chamber from the volume of the chamber, so you probably get a ratio closer to 1:1
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:49 pm
by itsnotmyblood
that makes more sense
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:58 pm
by itsnotmyblood
im trying to use ggdt it keeps telling me the barrle is exesivly long when its shorter than the chamber?
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:17 pm
by Lockednloaded
what numbers are ou plugging in, take a screenshot because it sounds like a user error
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:25 pm
by itsnotmyblood
how do i take a screen shot? i dont know what alot of these numbers are for? whats a seat? how do i know the friction on the projectile?
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:58 pm
by Ranger
Lockednloaded wrote:Ranger wrote:That should be good. I ran the numbers with a 36" barrel and 32" chamber and came out with a about 2:1.
Ahh, but you forget to subtract the volume of the barrel inside the chamber from the volume of the chamber, so you probably get a ratio closer to 1:1
I hope my math is right
Barrel: 1"x36" = 28 cubic inches
Chamber: 2"x32"= 100 cubic inches
OD of barrel: 1.25x32=39 cubic inches
100-39=61
61/28= 2.17
"About 2:1"
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:02 pm
by itsnotmyblood
i want the chamber 60" the barle 56.5"
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:06 pm
by itsnotmyblood
how dose 1 times 36 get 28
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:26 pm
by Ranger
Its a cylinder volume equation
Formula for finding the volume of a cylinder : pi * radius2 * height
I go
Here and it makes it much eaiser
How can you make the barrel shorter than the chamber? They either have to be the same length or the barrel has to be longer. Think about it.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:44 pm
by Technician1002
Ranger wrote: How can you make the barrel shorter than the chamber? They either have to be the same length or the barrel has to be longer. Think about it.
This barrel is most certainly shorter than the chamber. It is only longer when I screw on an extension.
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:32 pm
by Ranger
*If* we are talking about coaxials designed on the principles
Here (the third animation) Then the chamber (the one that supplies air to the barrel, not the pilot area) cannot be longer than the barrel. In a *standard* coaxial, the barrel cannot be shorter than the chamber.
Technician, we are talking about coaxial piston valve cannons not your awesome QDV design.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:44 pm
by Technician1002
itsnotmyblood wrote:how do i take a screen shot?
In Widows, Press PrintScreen. Then open paint or other image editor and select Paste to put your capture in the program. Edit and resize as needed, then save.
In Ubuntu, use the Applications pull down and under Accessories, select Screenshot. Give the capture a name or use the default.
Open the image in your favorite image editor to crop, resize, or modify and save the changes.
On a Mac, I don't know. I don't use one.
Technician, we are talking about coaxial piston valve cannons not your awesome QDV design.
By definition, that is a coaxial as the chamber and barrel are on the same axis.
In my golf ball bazooka the barrel is shorter than the chamber. The breech of the barrel does not reach the breech of the chamber. The muzzle is recessed and ends very shortly past the end of the chamber. It isn't much shorter, but it is shorter.