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Combustion Competition

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:55 pm
by xXunderXcoverXx
So this is my first post and new to spudfiles but I'm not new to spudding. Ive built a pneumatic gun that will be on here soon and as human male instinct It has to get bigger and better. I made a bet with my girlfriend and her dad that I could a better spud gun then they could and so the competition began. Her father owns a hardware store and I figured If I better win. I'm thinking about a 96" 2" sch. 40 barrel and a 36" 6" sch. 40 Chamber with metered propane and chamber fan. which give the c:b ration about 3.2-1. Please questions or comment would help a lot Thanks

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:03 pm
by bigbob12345
Make it a pneumatic they are a lot more powerful

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:08 pm
by xXunderXcoverXx
Ive done some research and Ive found that pneumatics are a lot more powerful but part of the bet was it has to be a combustion gun

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:09 pm
by cwazy1
you definitly dont want a c:b ratio of 3.2:1, you want .8:1 for a combustion to yeild the most efficiency.3.2:1 would be more of a ratio for a pneumatic. why are you using 6" sch40?? why not just 4"?and you understand that with a chamber your size, 1017cu-in you will need alot of propane per shot? i recommend that you go with a more reasonable chamber volume like along the lines of 300-500 cu-in.

and i would hope that you know the mix for propane to air is a 4.2%. and the way to find out how much propane you need in a meter of "x" size, you should use burntelakte's calculators.

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:25 pm
by octane89
Like cwazy said, the best ratio for combustion is an .8:1 ratio. You will have faster muzzle velocity and distance too.

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:29 pm
by xXunderXcoverXx
Yes Ive been to burntlakte and read all their stuff. I know the c:b ratio is High but I'm not really looking for efficiency. I guess it could be alot lower like 1:1 but I figued if I waste a little potential energy then the potato would be at maximum kinetic energy by the end of the barrel.

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:33 pm
by octane89
With 3.2:1, it will just be loud and have plenty of kick. Thats why .8:1 delivers a perfect match because your combustion is complete when it leaves the barrel, and the potato will be at "max kinetic energy" like you said.
If you wanted to boost performance, use MAPP instead of propane but the mix is 4.6%

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:42 pm
by cwazy1
yeah as octane said, 3.2:1 would be loud.

mapp gsa does boost preformance, but it is alot more expensive and you get alot less of it per bottle. over where i live, its 3$ for a small tank of propane, while 9$ for a small tank of mapp and it has less mass. it all reall depends on what you perfer, if you like loud, well then, you can stick with your 1000cu-in chamber and a 3.2:1 ratio (make sure to wear hearing protection.)

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:45 pm
by octane89
Mapp here is $5, and propane is $3. I just like it because I get a bit better muzzle velocity.

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:48 pm
by cwazy1
oh lucky, i've been reluctant to try mapp cuz of its price. ahahha im a cheapo

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:07 pm
by BC Pneumatics
His planned ratio will preform better with a 96" barrel than a .8:1 ratio with the same size barrel. Lowering your C:B ratio will only help if you do it by lengthening the barrel.

Of course, you are paying a lot for the relatively small increase in power that the oversized chamber gives you.

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:24 pm
by SpudBlaster15
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:53 pm
by cwazy1
^^ you dont have to have a burst disk

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:05 pm
by SpudUke5
Yea he knows it isnt neccesary but the benfit of having one is that it locks the pressure up until it bursts at a specific point and all of that pressure shoots out at once, therefore giving better overall performance.

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:46 pm
by MrCrowley
Golfball barrel.

If your competition is on distance, golfball should win it, if it's on power or destruction golfball should win it.

I believe you can buy them from BC Pneumatics website BCARMS, just click the link in his signature.