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4mm ETG

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:18 am
by 245Tommy
I built this out of parts I had lying around, the barrel is three brass tubes epoxied together, the electrode is a screw with an epoxy insulator. 370joule 660v capacitor bank. Switch is a 40amp auto relay with homemade contacts. The ammo is a wooden dowel wrapped in tape with a chunk of lead or a nail glued on the tip.

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:24 am
by jackssmirkingrevenge
Kudos for making it work, what's the performance like?

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:07 pm
by 245Tommy
The first shot was a soda can full of water at 270joules with the lead slug, the next shot was a lead slug with one slit cut in it like a dum-dum bullet into clay at 370joules. I lined up four pennies and the dart went into two of them and then curled back into the second penny and skewered them together.

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:40 pm
by jackssmirkingrevenge
Impressive! Any plans to make it portable or will it remain a benchtop project?

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:44 pm
by 245Tommy
jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:Impressive! Any plans to make it portable or will it remain a benchtop project?
Maybe if I could make it practical, I have an idea for a preloaded cartridge.

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:48 pm
by jackssmirkingrevenge
245Tommy wrote:I have an idea for a preloaded cartridge.
A man after my own heart :) well if Larda's monster is anything to go by, you could conceivably make one powerful enough to work a recoil powered action.

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:14 pm
by jrrdw
Does this count for DYI's coin challange? Lets find out shall we...Nice work 245Tommy :D .

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:13 pm
by rp181
Every ETG I see makes me think more and more I should make a 12kJ one that actually uses high efficiency techniques. I think with some work, I could match larda's power.

Nice job!

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:52 pm
by kjjohn
Looks great. It would be awesome if you could make it into some form of rifle or pistol design.

Ever think of using ultracapacitors? They can store up to hundreds of times the energy of electrolytic caps (1000+ farads) in an extremely small package. They also have extremely high amperage, and their voltage can be boosted by discharging into an ignition coil

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:07 pm
by 245Tommy
kjjohn wrote:Looks great. It would be awesome if you could make it into some form of rifle or pistol design.

Ever think of using ultracapacitors? They can store up to hundreds of times the energy of electrolytic caps (1000+ farads) in an extremely small package. They also have extremely high amperage, and their voltage can be boosted by discharging into an ignition coil
I don't think they work for very fast discharges.

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:09 pm
by kjjohn
Normally ultracaps discharge within a few seconds, but if you wired many of them in series, it would lower the capacitance, which I believe would make the discharge quicker. I'm not quite sure, but boosting the voltage with a coil may do the same. I guess you would know for sure, you've built one that seems to work pretty well. In terms of HV, I have only worked with smaller electrolytics in a coilgun.

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:10 pm
by rp181
kjjohn: completely wrong. Super capacitors would be destroyed very quickly, they do not stand high currents at all. Farads is not the only measure of energy, voltage matters too. Supercapacitors have low voltage ratings.

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:16 pm
by kjjohn
I don't have any experience with ultracaps, and not much experience with any other kinds of caps, so I don't really know that much about them. :) However, like I mentioned before, you would boost the voltage by discharging the cap through a coil or wiring many in series. What do you mean by "Super capacitors would be destroyed very quickly" though? Are you talking about the induced back voltage/current that appears after the coil discharges?

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:41 pm
by chinnerz
dont ultracaps take up to 20 seconds to discharge? i know mine dose, i was seing if it could be used as a quick charge battery... for an IR flash

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:42 pm
by chinnerz
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