H2 Reactor (auto-production of H2, a powerful fuel)

Zeus · Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:49 am

Alster370 wrote:but the price for HCI is ridiculous

Not trying to pick on you, but last time I checked it was about $5-$8 for 4 litres at the local hardware store. And that's in Australia.

Alster370 · Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:09 am

Not trying to pick on you

I wouldn't assume you were

I guess it is cheaper elsewhere but in the uk its quite expensive, or perhaps im just looking in the wrong place?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hydrochloric- ... 0573774735

Zeus · Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:16 am

Pool supplies are very handy. You can also find it in the concrete section of a hardware store.

Alster370 · Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:20 am

Thats a pretty good deal, 25L at 28% for £30.

I noticed that you could get a "brick cleaning solution" 25L for about £22. will Al still react with this even though its 10% HCI?

inonickname · Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:40 am

Goats spudz wrote:
inonickname wrote:
Alster370 wrote:
Its nice and reactive, you could even use white vinegar instead of HCI or NaOH and get a good result. White vinegar is cheaper too.
But like I said, magnesium is substantially more expensive and more difficult to find, and requires more specialized storing.

Also, what makes you think you could use NaOH with Mg to produce hydrogen?
Pencil sharpeners and Firestarters are made from Mg, with the Pencil sharpeners drop it in vinegar and you should see a lot of bubbles, if you don't then you have an aluminium one, or just try lighting powder filed from one

I know they are, but that doesn't make them economically viable next to aluminium, which is available in large amounts from extrusions and castings.

Yes, magnesium will bubble in vinegar. This doesn't mean it will bubble in NaOH, which is basic. Aluminium only reacts because it's amphoteric.

Look, cheapest route:

Cast Aluminium and:
Concentrated (moderately crude) HCl for pools/brick cleaning
OR
NaOH dissolved in water from drain cleaner

Magnesium will simply never be a cheaper alternative.

Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:59 am

Not just cannons can run on HHO..learn how to build a reactor and increase mileage on any gas engine:

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My brother is building one at the moment and when he figures it out and can spoonfeed me I'll implement it on my bobber-bike!!

Alster370 · Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:38 am

For now I think im going to use sodium bicarbonate to make some smaller quantities of hydrogen.

heat sodium bicarb = sodium carbonate
sodium carbonate+water+al = Hydrogen + other products

BTB: Ive always liked hydrogen as a fuel, but there is a certain charm about steam that makes it more appealing

Hotwired · Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:23 pm

Brian the brain wrote:Not just cannons can run on HHO..learn how to build a reactor and increase mileage on any gas engine:

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My brother is building one at the moment and when he figures it out and can spoonfeed me I'll implement it on my bobber-bike!!

So let me get this right.

1) burn more petrol in the engine to generate more electricity than normal to power a hydrogen producing cell

2) burn the hydrogen to generate power in the engine

In a nutshell...

Am I to understand that tearing water apart using electricity and then turning it back into water... results in more energy out than you put in?

Or another way of putting it, the hydrogen you generate has to produce more energy than the petrol you burnt to get it.

Don't forget about the wasted energy as you generated the hydrogen. Such as heat.

RJB INDUSTRIES · Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:23 pm

Hi everyone
The reactor is made of Nylon 1FR4 and all the pipes are these dimensions/ material: 4milimiters inside and six outside diameter and are made of high pressure plastic, they stand at least 6/8 bars....
The reactor as all of you Know has a safety valve and I have also put in a valve,(pistol one) that i have with me while the reaction is active, to reduce the pressure inside the H2Reactor, it reaches 4 bars, today I have filled a ballon with H2 and did a fire test, with a remote ignition system i have done and shown in the following picture, i had used Zn instead of Al because Zn is more reactive so it produces the final product really fast, the ZnCl2 didn´t react with the nylon as I first thought to do and the H2R also has a Pressurized Injection System (PIS) designed by me that consists in not only the use of gravity force to put the HCL in the H2R, it is a chamber, PVC chamber to not react with the HCL, and it has another valve,(pistol one) in my hand that is connected with my compressor, at 4bars, and it injects all the HCL (0.5L), inside the H2R.(I have used an electrolysis but it was to slow... and with my scrubber on H2R it is now a better option to follow.
(I´m going to load the H2R pictures)
In the RIS, I- BLB (burn laser box), the ignition;
II- bearing that allows the thread which brings the ballon of H2 that has less density than the air and rises high, touch the laser beam to explode(this was done already);
III-The electric motor that rolls the wire to pull the balloon to the ignition.

The reactor was done in a CNC.

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wyz2285 · Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:49 am

How long does it take to produce enough hydrogen to power our hybrid?

Oh and one more thing, did a little research, nylon may not be a good material to deal with acid... If any body knows more about nylon+acid could help. I still think it´s better to do a anti-acid coating in the inside of the chamber, like fiber glass or epoxy, before further using.

RJB INDUSTRIES · Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:59 pm

There is no problem using acid inside the Nylon 1FR4 reactor, I guarantee you that I have done a long research before doing it, dont`t you think?
Now I have the pictures.
I will load them as soon as possible....

RJB INDUSTRIES