new double barrel design

A place for general potato gun questions and discussions.
bangmikkelbang
Private 2
Private 2
Posts: 21
Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:00 am

Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:21 am

heres my new double barrel design. tell me what you think
Attachments
double barrel cannon.JPG
double barrel cannon.JPG (15.07 KiB) Viewed 3942 times
User avatar
Mr. Beaver
Private 4
Private 4
Posts: 66
Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:22 pm
Location: Israel

Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:46 am

Its nice but with in your design, the connection of the lower barrel, cause the lengths to be different and the lower barrel to be longer overall.
I think you need to focus on making the barrels same length overall...
But beside it i think the design is good.

i'll make a drawing to explain in a while.
User avatar
ALIHISGREAT
Staff Sergeant 3
Staff Sergeant 3
Posts: 1778
Joined: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:47 pm
Location: UK

Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:18 am

hmm well the whole double barrel thing has been suggested before (on the uksgc) and it might work but you could get more air going one way than the other or maybe the bore of one of the barrels would be tighter and there would be more friction so the projectile would come out slower, the power will also be less because the air is spread between two barrels

so i think the best way to shoot two projectiles at the same time is to put two projectiles in one barrel :)
User avatar
jackssmirkingrevenge
Five Star General
Five Star General
Posts: 26216
Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:28 pm
Has thanked: 576 times
Been thanked: 347 times

Donating Members

Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:24 am

ALIHISGREAT wrote:so i think the best way to shoot two projectiles at the same time is to put two projectiles in one barrel :)
Not strictly true.

Two projectiles in one barrel means you still have the same force (pressure acting on the projectile base area) but double the weight, so less energy.

By using two barrels (assuming you've increased the valve flow accordingly) you not have the force acting on double the area, so more energy ;)
hectmarr wrote:You have to make many weapons, because this field is long and short life
User avatar
ALIHISGREAT
Staff Sergeant 3
Staff Sergeant 3
Posts: 1778
Joined: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:47 pm
Location: UK

Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:48 am

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:
ALIHISGREAT wrote:so i think the best way to shoot two projectiles at the same time is to put two projectiles in one barrel :)
Not strictly true.

Two projectiles in one barrel means you still have the same force (pressure acting on the projectile base area) but double the weight, so less energy.

By using two barrels (assuming you've increased the valve flow accordingly) you not have the force acting on double the area, so more energy ;)
yes but then you have the problems that i mentioned such as getting the same amount of air into both the barrels.
User avatar
Mr. Beaver
Private 4
Private 4
Posts: 66
Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:22 pm
Location: Israel

Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:06 am

i just made a drawing of how i think you should make a double barrel...
Image
yeah it;s pretty simple but it's my idea of launching 2 projectiles same time same force different barrel tell me what you think..

i get it that the drawing look a bit like an ass,
but i dont care(dot)(dot)(dot) :wink:
User avatar
jackssmirkingrevenge
Five Star General
Five Star General
Posts: 26216
Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:28 pm
Has thanked: 576 times
Been thanked: 347 times

Donating Members

Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:07 am

If your barrels are say 0.5", hooking them up to a 3/4" valve like in the attached diagram, you'd get no loss in performance save for a little extra dead space.

Go on, let's see more creativity and less off the shelf parts on this forum :D
Attachments
doublebarrel.GIF
doublebarrel.GIF (3.4 KiB) Viewed 3912 times
hectmarr wrote:You have to make many weapons, because this field is long and short life
User avatar
Mr. Beaver
Private 4
Private 4
Posts: 66
Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:22 pm
Location: Israel

Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:15 am

i just made a drawing of how i think you should make a double barrel...
Image
yeah it;s pretty simple but it's my idea of launching 2 projectiles same time same force different barrel tell me what you think..

i get it that the drawing look a bit like an ass,
but i dont care(dot)(dot)(dot) :wink:

[edit]: sorry for double post problem max_users_connections or whatever...
Last edited by Mr. Beaver on Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
bangmikkelbang
Private 2
Private 2
Posts: 21
Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:00 am

Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:19 am

idk if im lookin at the diagram right but is that just epoxy acting as the wall? i just like the reliability of parts off the shelf. or maybe get a joint that actually looks like a " Y " and make it side by side double barrel. im not 100% if im right but should the airflow divide evenly both ways if its side by side? im just tryin to milk everyone of their superior knowledge ( something i dont have haha).
User avatar
jackssmirkingrevenge
Five Star General
Five Star General
Posts: 26216
Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:28 pm
Has thanked: 576 times
Been thanked: 347 times

Donating Members

Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:28 am

If you get a "Y" fitting that's the same diameter as the barrels, you'll get half the flow going to each barrel and less power. With my design and using a 3/4" or even better a 1" sprinkler valve, you'd get much better performance.

I'm a big fan of using epoxy as a casting material for custom reducers and endcaps, have a look here and at any of my finished projects.
hectmarr wrote:You have to make many weapons, because this field is long and short life
grumpy
Specialist 3
Specialist 3
Posts: 331
Joined: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:48 am
Location: tampa,fla.

Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:34 am

you would get a more even airflow with something like this.
http://www.flexpvc.com/cart/agora.cgi?c ... nifoldType
User avatar
ALIHISGREAT
Staff Sergeant 3
Staff Sergeant 3
Posts: 1778
Joined: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:47 pm
Location: UK

Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:49 am

Mr. Beaver wrote:i just made a drawing of how i think you should make a double barrel...
Image
yeah it;s pretty simple but it's my idea of launching 2 projectiles same time same force different barrel tell me what you think..

i get it that the drawing look a bit like an ass,
but i dont care(dot)(dot)(dot) :wink:
thats a good idea but it won't work for cylindrical projectiles because they would not fit side-by-side.
User avatar
POLAND_SPUD
Captain
Captain
Posts: 5402
Joined: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:43 pm
Been thanked: 1 time

Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:26 am

why do you need two barrels ?? there aren't many modern real guns with two barrels and i think this suggests that it's not practical
User avatar
jackssmirkingrevenge
Five Star General
Five Star General
Posts: 26216
Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:28 pm
Has thanked: 576 times
Been thanked: 347 times

Donating Members

Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:38 am

POLAND_SPUD wrote:why do you need two barrels ?? there aren't many modern real guns with two barrels and i think this suggests that it's not practical
Lots of double barreled shotguns around, as well as pistols and rifles, but most are intended to fire one barrel at a time.
hectmarr wrote:You have to make many weapons, because this field is long and short life
bluerussetboy
Specialist 2
Specialist 2
Posts: 265
Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:25 pm

Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:38 am

POLAND_SPUD wrote:why do you need two barrels ?? there aren't many modern real guns with two barrels and i think this suggests that it's not practical
quite the contrary. plenty of double-barreled shotguns are still manufactured

and

double rifles are probably the most elegant of firearms and the price usually reflects.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/
Post Reply