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[jackssmirkingrevenge]

okay so can I ask the spirit to scratch " I am Real " on JSR's back? :evil5:

As long as that spirit takes the form of a beautiful tall Russian blonde woman she can scratch whatever she wants on my back

[MrCrowley]

Blindfold everyone who will touch the planchette during the session?
Then how do we interpret the answers that will be given by the moving planchette?

You need to design and set up a proper scientific experiment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiment

At the moment, you're already biased towards believing in spirits so we can hardly believe you when you come back and say that Ouija board thingy moved on its on free will.

I know you said spirits are outside the realm of science but if this is something you can physically confirm yourself using a Ouija board then a scientific experiment can be conducted.

[Talk]

You need to design and set up a proper scientific experiment:

Can you give me some ideas to set up a proper scientific experiment to prove that there was a spirit?

At the moment, you're already biased towards believing in spirits so we can hardly believe you when you come back and say that Ouija board thingy moved on its on free will.

I feel like that one character in horror stories and movies who tries to warn people about the ghost but rest of the characters just ignores him/her.

I've seen in a video where the people asks the spirit to make noises to prove its presence and the spirit makes some noise so this time we ask the spirit to fuse a light in the park 2) lift a bottle and then drop it on the ground.
While the spirit does this one of us makes a video of it, would the video be enough to prove that there was a spirit who did this?
The video will not be edited in any way and this will not be any kind of stunt, trick or prank of any kind.

or maybe all of this Ouija board stuff is fake.

[Pilgor]

Just cause something is in a video, it doesn't make it real.

[jrrdw]

@Talk: Let me ask you this, Are you attempting to prove these boards work and are real or just find out if that is true? Seems to me from your 1st post you're trying t7o find out IF it's true and now trying to prove it is...

@JSR: I'm at the understanding that these boards were "witch's boards" then adopted the name "Quija".

Even though 'spirits' can and probably will always be mentioned in the same sentances when talking about any kind of religion, dark arts and or paranormal activity I myself consider them somewhat seperate.

[Alanstone]

My 2 cents worth for anyone interested: I have spent the last twelve years as a hypnotist helping people unravel what they perceive as reality so that they have a more fulfilling life experience. The truth is that the outer realms of subconscious activity is not understandable by conscious thought. The human subconscious mind can, does and will create any manner of experience that the consciousness must follow. It is therefore well beyond the capacity for any conscious mind to relate to subconscious activity.

You can experience any dream as a reality while you are in a dream state and not realise you are dreaming.

You can imagine any reality any not realise you are imagining it.

If you doubt the two above statements then you must concur that you doubt the majority of studies done with regard to abnormal psychology.

It doesn't take much to have you in a deep philosophical conversation with a 2 inch zebra striped elephant sitting beside you.

The human subconscious has a limitation when understanding what is being experienced through the senses and what is being experienced in the imagination. It is a blurry line that is easily crossed and much pathology stems from this fact.

[Talk]

@Talk: Let me ask you this, Are you attempting to prove these boards work and are real or just find out if that is true? Seems to me from your 1st post you're trying t7o find out IF it's true and now trying to prove it is...

In my first post I actually wanted to know whether anyone in this forum had messed with these boards so that they'll share some experiences on that topic and these Ouija boards has something to do with spirits(falling under supernatural category).

Mr.C and JSR disagrees with the existance of something supernatural.(Jinns)

Now I'm trying to prove that yes there is something as supernatural ,not by calling the jinns(which I can't and I don't want to even if I could) but by proving that there was a spirit that moved the planchette with the ouija board.

[Zeus]

It doesn't take much to have you in a deep philosophical conversation with a 2 inch zebra striped elephant sitting beside you.

This I can vouch for. The mind is very easily influenced. I've experimented and caused minor visual effects simply by being in a dark room with loud music, I even had my tell tale sign of being "high", (a strangely fuzzy lower lip, every drug I've tried causes it, including alcohol). So it's well within reason that an hour in a dark room with the anticipation of what could happen could trigger it in all of you.

For my personal opinion on spirits, I can't prove the supernatural, nor can I disprove it. One day I may see something that causes me to believe they exist, but I can't believe in something I haven't experienced.

[velocity3x]

Can you give me some ideas to set up a proper scientific experiment to prove that there was a spirit?

Ask the Ouija board for some winning lottery numbers. If you win, give it a coat of furniture polish. If you loose, throw the board in the fireplace.

[jrrdw]

Now I'm trying to prove that yes there is something as supernatural ,not by calling the jinns(which I can't and I don't want to even if I could) but by proving that there was a spirit that moved the planchette with the ouija board.

That believe will only come if they expierance it directly for themselves.

[Alanstone]

Movement on a Ouija board. Movement of a pendulem and movement of dowsing sticks are contributed to subconscious ideomotor movemrnt.

Do an experiment. Tie a 30 cm piece of dental floss to a key. Let the key hang from the dental floss from your fingers. Imagine, will or what the key to move to and fro in a certain direction without willfully moving your hand to make it happen. Prepare to be suprised. The movement that takes place has nothing to do with any external force. It is simply your subconscious mind responding to your own self suggestion. Just because we can open and close our hand does not mean we know how to. There are tendons, muscles, blood, oxygen and a great number of other factors that are controlled to allow a hand to open and close. One can have a deep sense of respect for a system that can provide that function so readily as to have you consciously believe you are in control of it.

That in itself may be seen as supernatural. (Editted dur to pui)

[Talk]

That believe will only come if they expierance it directly for themselves.

Or maybe they will say it's the subconcious mind like Alanstone said, that is why I'll ask the spirit to fuse a light or smash a bottle ,which will prove that their is a spirit that was moving the planchette or it was our subconcious mind.

[Alanstone]

Dude I could have you stand on a pedistal in space and witness how you, in slow motion, cause the sun to supernova and when its done have you reverse it and put it all back in place the way it should be let alone you consider experiencing ghosts, jinns or any manner of other things. Reality is an extremely subjective experience.

[jrrdw]

Dude I could have you stand on a pedistal in space and witness how you, in slow motion, cause the sun to supernova and when its done have you reverse it and put it all back in place the way it should be let alone you consider experiencing ghosts, jinns or any manner of other things. Reality is an extremely subjective experience.

Only if you promise to make him cluck like a chicken when ever he hears a car horn blow! :bigsmurf:

[Ragnarok]

According to these meanings what if this is something beyond the limits of science?

I direct you to to Tim Minchin's poem "Storm" - and particularly this quote: "By definition”, Alternative Medicine”, has either not been proved to work or been proved not to work. You know what they call “alternative medicine” that's been proved to work? Medicine.”"

Science is the same. Something doesn't have to be explained, or even necessarily explainable, to be science - it just has to be repeatably observable.
For a medical science example, we have yet to conclusively explain how the Placebo effect works, but it's a phenomenally effective treatment; so much so that it has to be ruled out as a possibility in the testing of almost every new drug and procedure.

As a consequence, anything that claims to be beyond science can be comfortably ignored as having either a distinct lack of evidence that it's true and/or an abundance of evidence that it's not true.

Blindfold everyone who will touch the planchette during the session?
Then how do we interpret the answers that will be given by the moving planchette?

Have someone else to observe or set up a camera - it's not hard.

However, Penn and Teller's experiment will probably do (4:15, if the timecode link doesn't work) as an example of how well blindfolded ouija boards work.